Wednesday, 10 August 2005

Multiword tags, tags with punctuations, and tag-based searches

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Here is a question for the readers of this blog, as well as the wider community that deals with tags. This question was actually raised yesterday by a Simpy user and, wanting to hear what others think, I posted the question on the simpy-user list.

Imagine a tag such as "full-text". There are no spaces nor commas, so I think everyone will agree this should be handled as a single tag. However, should it be handled as a single token? In other words, should a search for tags "full" or "text" find items tagged with "full-text"? Similarly, should a search for "full-text" tag find items tagged with only "full" or only "text"?

What do you think?

Posted by otis at 1:46 AM in /

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Left by Joe at Thu, 11 Aug 9:02 AM

I would think that a search for full or text would find tags labeled with full-text. If I search for something as explicit as full-text, I don't want full and text tagged links to show up.

I'm a big fan of combining tags in order to narrow my list of links. I would be apt to tag a link with full and text tags and then search for full+text that will return me all the links with both of those tags. Because of this, I wouldn't see a big need for hyphenated tags for the way I work.

One thing that social bookmarking sites don't do well is spell checking and synonyms. I think this would be a much better use of development time.

If I search for flower, it would be great to have the tags daisy, tulip, and rose searched too. If I search for geneology, it would be great if the system recommended and searched for genealogy. Even better, helping me with spelling when I tag the link would clean up the system a great deal too.

I'm not sure how that's related, but I figured I'd throw it in since we're talking about features.

Left by Jarkko Kniivilä at Thu, 11 Aug 1:18 PM

Otis:
Can I make a suggestion? Maybe this problem is not an either-or question but a technical matter of what kind of queries are allowed in Simpy? As far as I have understood (from the lucene user mailing list archives), the lucene indexer hasn't been very good at providing really exact phrase searches into tokenized fields. Maybe one way to go around it would be to store tags both tokenized and non-tokenized, or would that be prohibitive in terms of resource consumption, Otis? --Jarkko

Left by Otis Gospodnetic at Thu, 11 Aug 2:44 PM

Joe:
It seems (from simpy-user list) that most people would prefer a more relaxed search. I think that's because they search a much smaller index (their own links or notes), and thus typically don't get overwhelmed with the number of hits and "very false positives".
Thus, I'll leave
Simpy's current search behaviour as is.

Synonyms are another feature that people sometimes mention, and I'm still pondering it. You can see my fresh thoughts on this subject and let me know what you think.

As for the issue of spelling and tag consistency, I think this would be best done through dynamic tag-suggestion and tag-completion that gets triggered as you type in the first few characters of each tag.
What do you think?

Left by Otis Gospodnetic at Thu, 11 Aug 2:48 PM

Jarkko:
What you are suggesting is doable. It would cause a bit of overhead. Not much, but as I don't like any overhead when it comes to software, I'd like to avoid it if possible. Does this behaviour satisfy your tag searching needs?

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Left by alexlondra at Thu, 22 Dec 5:21 PM

Multi-word tags are useful to decrease the number of related bookmarks, so if I search using a single word I should find also multi-word tags. For the same reason if I search using a multi-word tag I should get only results having all the words. See also http://alexlondra.blogsome.com/2005/12/21/multi-word-tags-tagging-and-categories-in-social-bookmarking

Left by alexlondra at Fri, 23 Dec 4:35 AM

Multi-word tags are useful to restrict the number of related pages, so if I search using a single word I should find also multi-word tags. For the same reason if I search using a multi-word tag I should get only results having all the words.
See also: http://alexlondra.blogsome.com/2005/12/21/multi-word-tags-tagging-and-categories-in-social-bookmarking/

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